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08 Reconnecting With Our Authentic Selves Through the Power of Travel | Nat Couropmitree

08 Reconnecting With Our Authentic Selves Through the Power of Travel | Nat Couropmitree


What if you had ways to let go of baggage, expectations & and limiting beliefs, and reconnect with your authentic self each day? How would you express yourself in this reality?

I had the chance to sit down with Nat Couropmitree this week. He is a coach who supports ambitious creators with big hearts & bold ideas to take up space and express them with 100% authenticity. He is also launching a travel-themed podcast soon.

In this episode we spoke about the inherent worth we possess as humans, achiever mindset, being true to ourselves, letting go of perfection, and reconnecting deeply with ourselves through travel.



(00:00) - Introduction
(02:26) - Low self-worth to creator coaching
(04:31) - Story about the inherent worth of all humans
(07:10) - Burnout is a wake-up call
(12:08)  - Overgiver Archetype and being able to receive
(13:43) - Breaking the ancestral trauma chain
(16:19) - 3 step technique to reconnect with our authentic selves
(21:36) - Detachment from outcomes, and flow states in the creative process
(24:45) - Jerry Seinfeld and Depressive episodes in creators (27:41) - Traveling can give us a new perspective on life
(32:39) - Reconnecting with your authentic self with travel
(35:00) - One small change to be more authentic every day


Memorable Quotes

“Let go of all the things that you think you need to do and just relax.”
“My life right now is being okay with the messy parts”


People Mentioned

Jerry Seinfeld
Simone Biles (Olympic Gymnast)



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[00:00:00] Nat Couropmitree: It's a wake up call burnout I see as a wake up call struggling relationships or health stuff is all wake up calls that help us see that what we're doing, isn't working and that we need to do it differently.

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Welcome back joining us today is a coach who's helping creators with big hearts and bold ideas. Take up space and be their true selves. He's also launching a new podcast with a travel team.

Please welcome my guest for today. Nat Couropmitree

[00:01:47] Nat Couropmitree: thank you so much Sushil, I'm really honored to be able to be here with. 

[00:01:50] Sushil: my pleasure. Where are you calling in from today?

[00:01:53] Nat Couropmitree: I'm in a suburb of Boston in the U S 

[00:01:57] Sushil: Got it. So I'm guessing the weather is getting slightly better because it's spring.

[00:02:01] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah. It's spring today, particularly is warmer. It's sunny, warmer, meaning mid sixties.

[00:02:10] Sushil: Honestly, mid sixties is a huge blessing. Given the winter we just had. So jumping in. I love , how you describe yourself as a coach for creators with big ideas. We want to be their authentic selves. So how did you get started in this line of work?

[00:02:26] Nat Couropmitree: So as long story, but the short of it is that I struggled a lot in my early years with my own self-worth feeling not enough. And into personal development self-help as a way to, at that time, from my understanding fixed myself. Cause I thought that I was broken, that there was something wrong with me, but through the years I discovered that there wasn't anything wrong and that really my thinking was wrong. And. That changed things for me. But the thing that ultimately led me into coaching was that I was working at a holistic exercise place. I was teaching exercise, about Qigong or Tai Chi. And I was learning how our thoughts affect our energy and how that energy affects our health. And I would extrapolate that to, oh, if they affect our health, then it must affect how we show up in life, how happy we are, how we live in life. And so that was one side of it. The other side of that was that. When working here and having conversations with our clients or customers, people would tell me that I had a lot of wisdom and that surprised me because to me, I was just having a conversation.

I was just sharing my ideas. About what they were experiencing. And so it started to open my eyes to like, oh, wait a second. Here. I have something to share that I didn't know I had. And still to this day, I struggle a little bit with it there's a part of me. That's so natural that I don't, I didn't have to work hard for. And it took me a while to recognize that I could value. Something that I didn't have to work?

hard for because in our society, that's not a narrative that is, Held highly. 

[00:04:31] Sushil: It reminds me of a story that I heard in this documentary called finding Joe, where there was this golden Buddha statue in a town. And. This town was being sacked by invaders. So what they did was they covered the statue up in, in mud.

 So that nobody would steal the statue or take it away. So what happened was that over time they forgot that this is actually a golden Buddha statue and many years passed and nobody knew they just thought it's like a clay statue And After that, someone discovered that, oh, there's there's gold underneath.

And they realize that the statue is actually pure gold. And the Buddha statue is is not made of clay. There's an inherent value in it. And that reminded me that we put a lot of layers and. Baggage on our own personalities on our own selves. And we forget or lose connection with how authentic we are.

Like how much inherent value we have.

[00:05:28] Nat Couropmitree: Absolutely. That's such a great story. W we all have inherent value and through society's conditioning our family's conditioning. We take on these ideas that we don't have value and that we have to work hard forward, or we have to exchange or trade. Ourselves for what we want and that's been eyeopening for, for myself and then also the clients that I work with, where they have learned that they can't be themselves, that they have to be someone different, either a watered down version or some puzzle pieces that don't really fit, right? Like they're, they keep on trying to fit the expectations of other people and they lose a sense of who they are. And they think that they have to live this way to be happy to be successful. And it leads to burnout because all that and energy, it takes to be someone that you're not takes a lot of energy.

[00:06:32] Sushil: I love that, all that energy to be someone else. That is exactly how I felt like for a long time. I felt like I couldn't be myself. I can't express myself authentically and. I reached a burnout, as you said, at some stage as well. In my previous career, I felt like to be successful in society. You need to have a job to have a high paying job, and that's the only way you can be happy.

 And at the end of the day, money or throwing more money at this problem where you don't know who your authentic self is, is not going to fix it. So I would love for you to talk more about that and what you do in your course.

[00:07:10] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah, absolutely. First of all, I really resonate with that story. I too thought that if I just made more money or achieved a higher status, that I would be happy or that I would be seen as more valuable to the people in my life. and it led to probably one of my earlier burns burnout, right? Like sometimes you don't learn from the first time because you just learn that this is the way that life works.

This is the way that. It's supposed to be, and models of this all around you. And I've had several burnouts through the years. What I've come to understand what I alluded to before, where we have learned socially acceptable ways to receive what we want. When we were kids. We were likely a lot of us have been in situations where we learned that we needed to be perfect or that we need to work hard to achieve more. We've learned that maybe we have to give more and not receive that, that we have to, call over-give. or for some of us we've learned that we needed to be strong, or appear strong. And that we needed to, take care of other. People's be the responsible one to not show any signs of weakness. So not being emotional, not being vulnerable. And, the last is. What I call a sacrificer which is where we're not great with boundaries. We've maybe been told that we're too much, uh, too much to handle too loud to ask too many questions. And so we shrink, we hide ourselves, we dim our light and we've done all these things as kids because. We were brilliant kids. We did what we needed to do to cope and get our needs met. The challenge is that we grow up with that worldview we grow up up, thinking that, oh, in order for me to feel safe in order for me to feel valued in order for me to feel loved in order for me to get what I want, I need to continue to act in these ways. And We continued to try to be perfect. We struggle with perfectionism. We struggle with worrying about getting things wrong or, trying to get things right. We struggle with as creators you know, in the marketplace where we're told to over-deliver and over-delivering is fine. Except when you don't let yourself receive in return, right. Where you're just always giving and giving. And you think that you're not giving enough and, you don't let yourself either receive enough salary enough. You don't charged the correct rates. You don't let yourself be helped. These are ways that we show up and. It's a wake up call burnout I see as a wake up call struggling relationships or health stuff is all wake up calls that help us see that what we're doing, isn't working and that we need to do it differently.

[00:10:25] Sushil: There's so much to unpack there. lot of what you said. I don't know if it's a thing with being Asian or something, but there's this achiever mindset, as you said, we start off. Always on this hamster wheel from a young age, like a world of measurements is how I read a book saying that yes, totally into this world of measurements, like our grades are measured.

We are pitted against one against the other. Look Mr is suddenly he is smarter than you, or he gets better grades than you. And then what happens is if you're constantly trying to prove yourself, And you're going to prove yourself. It works as kids. And as you said, we do whatever we have to to survive and to get our parents approval.

Because I think at that stage, in our life, we need our parents to provide for us to give us food. And so many other needs to be met. But when we grew up, we take the same mindset and apply it to life. And the first sign of weakness or the first sign of slipping up, and that comes up, it becomes like irreconcilable.

If you have always been like the achiever all through your life, failure is not an option. The minute you burn out, the minute you quit your job, then you're complete failure. And that stuck with me for a long time before having to work on something like that. And another thing which you mentioned was about receiving I to have the problem of not allowing myself to receive, as you said, I feel like.

There's this programming who says that you have to do a lot to receive. And when you receive you're like no, no, I don't want it. Or I feel uncomfortable. There's shame with getting a gift. if someone gives me a gift, there's an imbalance in the universe that needs to be corrected with a dollar amount.

I don't know if it's an Indian thing, but it happens a lot with me.

[00:12:08] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah, that's. That behavior is what I associate with the archetype I have called the over giver. And that's something that shows up in me as well. So I, I if it's an Asian thing or something else. I've learned. Now to receive gifts and just say, thank you the same with compliments, right? I used to deflect compliment and, put the spotlight on the other person about how great they are. And now I just say, thank you. And I don't feel like I have to return the compliment unless I feel really inspired to, and this is been part of my path to learn, to be able to receive and know that people want to give.

And it's okay for me to receive. And it's okay for me to not have anything back to, to to give back. Some of my clients are similar where. Not only do they don't let themselves receive and feel like they have to give back. But if they don't have a gift ready, they feel ashamed.

Or, they weren't as thoughtful. And that's not the reality of the situation. That's more something that we learned that We that was taught to us, right? Our parents felt uncomfortable about that. Then we probably picked that up from our parents and then it gets to passed on.

And so, a big part of my work is helping people disrupt the patterns and able to choose to live differently. And then when they live differently than they no longer pass. On these other patterns To their children or to the people in our lives. 

[00:13:43] Sushil: Yeah, that makes sense. And I recently thought about this as well. Like how every individual is like a combination or a power of two in terms of the number of predecessors they have. Essentially, when you look at a person, you'll see that they have two parents and that the parents have 4, 8, 16, and then you'll see that they're like a funnel for all those programs, the genetic mutations, the trauma, all of it passes through that one person and healing that.

Breaking the chain is actually a big act of activism. Like looking on his health is actually doing something for, for an entire lineage.

[00:14:24] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah, absolutely. I sued as you say activism. Sure. I see it as like an act of love. Love for yourself and love for. Uh, the people around you because in search in our society, we have very skewed understanding of what love is. Love. Human love. W I talk about human love is that it's very conditional. It's. It's I love you when you do this for me. And I don't love you when you do this. I remember as a kid upsetting my mom and then receiving the silent treatment, or what did I learn from that? I learned don't upset my mom. Because then I 

feel cut off love It's not that she didn't actually love me. It's just that she didn't learn. Or what she did learn is that when you cut off love in a way of a silent treatment, then you learn that you can receive love or some semblance of love by getting more attention, or, it's the natural thing. When you cut off. Your love from someone it's natural for them to want to like, oh, let me do what I can to please you to make you happy again. That type of attention feels like love, but it starts from manipulation. And it's not really love. And so in many ways, when we learn to treat ourselves as a transaction where let me do this and then I'll feel love, let me do this. And then I'll feel Let me not do this. And

then, I will be seen as valuable. All those ways are. Ways that we manipulate ourselves and we manipulate other people, And, but it's not seen as that because it's socially acceptable. But when you look at it for what it is, you realize, oh, what I'm doing is actually not that helpful for anyone.

[00:16:19] Sushil: Yeah. And I think that's where a lot of what you do comes into the picture, because I think I see this theme of wanting creators to be authentic in your work. And as you said, if we start shaping ourselves, Based on some other person's preference, then you lose track of authenticity. And over time, this becomes like a compounding effect.

If you see there's a great degree of pander culture right now, where people are playing it safe as entertainers or , making jokes that don't upset people, but there's no authenticity in that. Or it feels like they're disconnected from the. There's part of them that really wants to say something because they're scared of the consequences.

As you said, like scared of someone withholding love, or even like attracting someone else's EIR or someone else's hate is a very scary prospect. So how do you work with clients who are stuck in this mindset where they are. Putting someone else before themselves, even if they are building an audience growing an audience is a major part of what a creator does.

And let's say if they're only doing things to please other people, but they don't feel that this is authentic within themselves, then how do you work with that?

[00:17:29] Nat Couropmitree: yeah.

The first step is just to acknowledge that's going on and to acknowledge without judgment, to acknowledge with compassion. Because as we talked about before, these are behaviors that we learned as kids and by judging ourselves, we actually make ourselves wrong. And, that's not a good place to start. We did what we needed to do. And so by acknowledging with compassion, then we can start to change. Then we can start to let go of What.

no longer works for us. The second step is also an acknowledgement that we're not. Our stories. We're not the narrative, we're not and our experiences. When we talk about authentic self where the self that's, underneath that, if you will, I don't know if underneath is the right word, but It's like coming to this understanding that we are more than our human experience, whether you want to call that God or Shakti or chi, or, awareness consciousness.

Like we are more than the human experience. And with that acknowledgement. We can then let go of the identity as human self, with our experiences and, uh, re identify as our true selves that's not something that we have to do per se. It's more of just an acknowledgement of I am not what I have been. I'm so much more. And with that understanding, then you have the choice. To show up differently without the baggage that you might have identified with the third step 

then in the model I created is to. Start living from what I call frequencies of opening. And these five frequencies are wonder, abundance, ease, connection, and power. And you can pick one of them. Let's say, wonder, and then explore. What does it

look like when I live my life from wonder. And that the way that you show up from wonder is going to be very different how you might've lived before. especially before. Some of us that have, because of our childhood experience, maybe we had to grow up early. We had to grow up fast. We had to, we didn't really have the kid experience. Maybe we needed to take care of our parents or take care of our siblings. Sometimes wonder is not so prevalent in our lives. More so as being serious and taking responsibility, but wonder, and playfulness and curiosity, which is all grouped together is a Beautiful a beautiful expression, right? If you look at kids, they have such joy and playfulness. And and that curiosity comes with a level of courage of living life. But when we're taught to be more cautious and responsible at the expense of wonder or playfulness and curiosity, then we lose a part of ourselves. We lose. A big part of ourselves.

And so that, that would be one way to do that or pick whichever one resonates with you. Whichever frequency resonates with you maybe abundance is a better fit and abundance is not just about money, but it's about fullness, wealth flow. you know, like If you knew that there was enough for everyone. Might you respond differently when someone gives you a gift, right But from a place of lack, you might think someone gives me a gift and so there without, and so I have to give back, but from a place of abundance you know, that they have plenty, that you have plenty, and then you get to receive the gift because it's just a. 


[00:21:36] Sushil: Yeah, that is amazing because I. I understand some of it, from personal experience, when you say we are part of something bigger than ourselves, or as a creator or as an artist, I experienced this in some ways, what happens is when I'm painting, I'm not very attached to the outcome.

It could be a good painting or it could be a piece of crap. But I quit because I just feel like this calling, or in terms of whatever comes up while I'm meditating, I feel like putting that down on, on the canvas, but when I'm too attached to the result with, let's say comedy is another modality of expression that I have.

I'm not able to do the same thing. I feel there's a lot of ego into it and there's a great attachment of having to be perfect there's no playful spirit there. And the irony is that comedy is supposed to be silly. It's supposed to be playful. It's supposed to be about experimentation, but it's become this stress inducing thing, which I've just stayed away from, which is ridiculous because I love doing comedy and I've stayed away from.

Because of all this baggage.

[00:22:46] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah.

absolutely. And that's no different from any other way that we create, right? Like for you, when you do art you are able to get into maybe another way to say it as the zone where you're not in your mind, you're just completely present. And your you're open to this guidance, this expression that wants to be expressed through you.

And then, like you say, you get it onto paper. And. You know, Whether we're creating content, we're creating podcasts like this conversation you and I are having right now, it feels like we're in flow. We're just in the moment. We're not thinking about how it's going to sound, how we're going to sound, whether we're stupid or not. If we were to think about that, Right. if we were to think about that, then I don't think the conversation would be as authentic because we'd be so careful with what we're saying and worried about what other people thought. And in many ways, the way that I coach is an invitation to live more from that place of presence, from a place of openness where you're just receiving the inspiration and you're expressing it 

it can be challenging because a lot of us have had some level of trauma of not fitting in feeling misunderstood and we've learned to cope by being more careful by measuring our thoughts or, uh pre-thinking but it limits not only our own fulfillment, but it limits our ability to connect with other people. I can't tell you how many times I've been surprised when. I show more of myself, maybe my emotion, maybe sadness, maybe anger even, and people have told me that they feel like they can trust me more because I'm showing

up more fully in, in the full spectrum of that expression, rather than just showing the nice side of. 

[00:24:45] Sushil: Yeah. And I think a person is more believable. If you think that they are flawless, then you can't relate to someone like that sometimes, because what I learned recently was that from a podcast was at someone like Jerry Seinfeld. One of the greatest comedians of all time and one of the values comedians and so much success and everything.

And he shared that he also goes through depressive episodes. And you said that anyone who's creative has that inclination or anyone for that matter has the inclination to feel depressed. And that actually humanized him in such a way, because I got into comedy thinking that Jerry Seinfeld is a God. And hearing about like how authentic has experience is made me realize that know, everyone is going through it.

Like they're all figuring it out one day at a time and we have these barometers for success. But essentially there's more that we have in common than 

and not. Yeah. 

[00:25:44] Nat Couropmitree: Yeah, absolutely. And I think. that. One of the values of a podcast like this, that you're doing. So she'll because we need to hear from more people that they're not perfect, that they're struggling as well, or have struggled in the society today, there is more people are being more vocal about needing therapy and they're being more vocal about their own mental health, even this past Summer. Summer Olympics, right. With a gymnast That needed to take a break for her mental health. Back 10 years ago, even five years ago, you wouldn't hear that as much. And that's for me, That's in all honesty, like I grew up in my mom had depression and I remember how much. We needed to keep that quiet that it wasn't okay to let other people know.

I felt like everyone knew anyway the instruction in the household from my brothers and I was, we got to keep it quiet. We got to close the curtains. We can't talk about this. And. That no doubt has influenced my life as well, in terms of even like building and public, share your process your, your journey. I get that intellectually, but there's a thing in me that says no, you can't share that yet. You, you have to wait until you have it, figure it out. You can't show the messy parts, but. And my life right now is being okay with the messy parts and being able to express that. So that's something that I'm learning to lean into more.

[00:27:22] Sushil: That's great. Tell me more about the travel podcast and why you picked a team like that.

[00:27:29] Nat Couropmitree: Sure. Initially I was going to do a podcast 

about the coaching and this model and I was working with my friend who's helping me birth a book. I'm writing a book about the process. And in that process, I had the understanding that. my current brand bold the liveliness isn't the right brand. It's no longer a match this work that I'm doing. And And so I was like, oh, okay, then that podcast can't come out in that way because it's changing. Some parts of it are going to be the same, but the overall energy and alignment of it is going to be different. And so it didn't make sense for me to put that out. I also had in the background where I've tend to have kept it is this idea of what if I do a travel podcast? The reason. So is, cause I've always had a dream to curate or organize travel experiences for creators way for them to become aware of their habits, to be aware of their own thinking, because traveling has that effect on me. I can, I, I can an example. I use often as if I'm in Thailand and um, I'm in the car and cars are cutting you off there's motorcycles that weave in and out, and it's such a normal thing that the drivers do. They don't get pissed off. They don't react at all. It's just a normal thing. But here in the U S we care so much about our personal space that anyone that walks or even comes close to you, people will get pissed off. They honk on the horn, they're upset for the rest of the day. It's such a strange behavior. And so I just started to notice. Oh, there's another way to be with this. And I see that often when I travel because their customs are different from our customs here. And being aware in that way, I think it gives us opportunity to reflect and to choose differently. And so part of doing the travel podcast is to start with. Build an audience around travel and the way that travel can change us and the way that 

travel gives us new perspective. And there's so much in travel, right? Whether people travel full time or even if it's just a day trip or a walk around the block that could be traveled because. Doing it from a new perspective or even there are places in my own neighborhood that I've never been. I've never walked down those streets. And I think there's, we don't have to go far to travel and get new perspective and that's kind of what I'm leading into and what I want to talk about in that podcast.

[00:30:41] Sushil: I love it. And I tell you something funny. It was that, I was interviewing someone and they were talking about lucid dreaming and how like your dreams are like this. Wonderful experience. If you become aware, that starts bleeding into your waking reality, that wonder and all, and the person recommended that that you know, bring the same wonder to your waking life.

And I found it funny when you said that in the Western world people actually, when someone is in their space or does something out of the ordinary, they get like startled. So today I was walking around my neighborhood, there was a trail and I was just treating everything. Like I was seeing it for the first time.

It was amazing. And then some, someone was also walking by and I just looked at this person for some reason, I waved at him and then he was like, what's wrong? Why is this person waving at me? It was something very arbitrary, but I noticed that like people react to different situations in different.

[00:31:39] Nat Couropmitree: Oh, yeah. And that's the thing that I'm talking about is because if we do that enough times and people look at us weird, like why is this person waving at me? Or why is this person smiling at me? If you're sensitive about it, you're gonna stop. You're gonna stop doing. Right. But If you do it from a place of like, this is what brings me joy, like in the moment you just do it and, and oftentimes that's what we do. We just do it in the moment. And I think there's great pleasure in that. You know, and, And this journey of, of being authentic of prioritizing ourselves is this of do the things that, that make you feel good, do the things that bring you joy and care less about what other people think, because they're in their own words. do we really care? What a stranger on the street thinks of us? Sometimes we do because we've been conditioned that way to care so much about what other people think, but we can care so much that it robs us of our own 

[00:32:39] Sushil: Yeah. And the best part about traveling is that I think there's this inherent belief that, oh, nobody knows me here. I can just be my authentic self. And I think that's one of the greater things that could come out of that, along with the connection and, learning new cultures, et cetera.

But I feel like when you're traveling and be authentic self.

[00:33:00] Nat Couropmitree: Absolutely when we travel we're out of our normal routines, w we don't feel that that level of, constriction , or entrapment. Right. And, , that level of freedom when we traveled, Does bring out more of our ourselves and that's a really beautiful thing. And then from there you can try on new ways of being, right.

Like you can try living from wonder, or you could be more in your power and see how people respond. Oftentimes. You being in your power with people that don't know you, they're not going to respond in the way that you think they are because they don't know you. They don't have preconceived judgments on who you are. They just think it's normal. It reminds me of 

even little things like over the pandemic where a lot of us couldn't go out and our hairs got long. And we couldn't get haircuts and we were on zoom and, but it would just, it became a normal thing to have longer hair or messy hair. And no one knows No, one knows what your hair is supposed to like. So just started. Just showing up. However, my hair was like it just, that maybe that's just how I keep my hair. Maybe it's. supposed to look like a bird nest I don't know. You know, but, But It's like we. We, and I'll speak for myself. used to care so much about oh, my hair is Massey, but only I know what messy is for my hair.

No one else does. So I started to be easier with myself around that and okay. It's long it's in my face. That's sticking up. Okay. That's just the way I keep it. It's okay.

[00:34:45] Sushil: No, I it's. It's funny because like I, when I met, I came to the us when I moved there for school, I used to cut my own hair. And during the pandemic, I felt like I've been training for this moment, my entire life.

[00:34:59] Nat Couropmitree: Um 

[00:35:00] Sushil: so this has been a very insightful conversation before we close for our listeners, what would you suggest? Is one small thing that we all could do to be a little more authentic in our everyday life. 

[00:35:13] Nat Couropmitree: Hmm, 

That's a good question. A couple of things come to mind. One is take some time to just relax. Let go of all the things that you think you need to do and just relax. And then from that place, see what you're inspired to do and do that. That would be one way the other one is maybe a little bit more cliche, but, , I was like, put on your favorite music and dance.

Like no one's watching. And , that also seemed like a lot of fun that just to get up and move. And, , see how you want to be expressed and also notice, like what comes up for you when you're doing that. Because that's a perfect opportunity to see like, what are the thoughts that are in my brain and in my mind that are keeping me from expressing myself. 

[00:36:03] Sushil: That's very well put. And I was actually thinking of the same thing like this you know, lock yourself in a room, put on your favorite music and dance, like crazy, or just be silly. And that's, that's great. it's been, It's been an amazing conversation and I've had so much fun talking to your net and where can someone find you?

[00:36:22] Nat Couropmitree: Again, I'm changing brands and who knows when this will come out, but in the meantime, they can go to bold, alive nus.com and probably in the future. I'll have that forwarded to the new York. So bold the live dot com@theveryleastalwayshavenotcarpentry.com my name so you?

can go there and and be redirected. 

[00:36:45] Sushil: Awesome. I'll be linking all of this information in the show notes, and it's been an absolute pleasure and I can't wait to see how the travel podcast turns out and your very best in all of your endeavors. Yep.

[00:36:58] Nat Couropmitree: Thank you so much. Sushil aye. This was spent such a pleasurable conversation with you and just deep, deep,


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Nat Couropmitree (Ca-ROPE-ma-tree) supports Creators with Big Hearts and Bold Ideas to take up space and be wildly open to receive so they can create their greatest impact without burning out. Beyond his life’s work, Nat enjoys traveling and dancing the Argentine Tango with his beloved wife, Olga.